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1	Gonzaga
2	Tennessee (Tennessee Tech Opponent)
3	Youngstown St
4	West Virginia
5	Villanova
6	Texas
7	Missouri
8	Houston
9	Clemson (Morehead State Opponent)
10	Baylor
11	S Dakota St
12	Penn St
13	Kansas
14	Florida St
15	Richmond (Morhead State Opponent)
16	UCLA
17	Michigan St
18	Virginia Tech
19	Navy
20	Seton Hall
21	Oklahoma
22	Alabama (Jacksonville State Opponent)
23	Oregon
24	North Carolina
25	Xavier (EKU & TN Tech Opponent)

*based solely on w-l record and sos so far this season.
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Rank    Team              Change
1       Gonzaga           No Change
2       Missouri          Up 5
3       West Virginia     Up 1
4       USC               Not Ranked
5       Villanova         No Change
6       Kansas            Up 7
7       Baylor            Up 3
8       Richmond          Up 7
9       Houston           Down 1
10      Clemson (MHD Opp) No Change
11      Texas             Down 5
12      Oregon            Up 11
13      Michigan          Not Ranked
14      St. Bonaventure   Not Ranked
15      Oklahoma St.      Not Ranked
16      Virginia Tech     Up 2
17      Dayton            Not Ranked
18      Ohio State        Not Ranked
19      Rutgers           Not Ranked
20      Louisville        Not Ranked
21      UCF               Not Ranked
22      North Carolina    Up 2
23      WKU               Not Ranked
24      Purdue            Not Ranked
25      Indiana           Not Ranked

Dropped Out
Tennessee
Youngstown State
South Dakota State
Penn State
Florida State
UCLA
Michigan State
Navy
Seton Hall
Oklahoma
Alabama
Xavier

*based solely on w-l record and sos so far this season.

** Large movements will be seen early in the season.
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RANK	TEAM		CONFERENCE		CHANGE
1	Villanova	Big East		Up 4
2	Missouri	Southeastern		No Change
3	Kansas		Big 12			Down 3
4	Gonzaga		West Coast		Down 3
5	Texas		Big 12			Up 6
6	Penn St		Big 10			Not Ranked
7	Rutgers		Big 10			Up 12
8	Xavier		Big East		Not Ranked
9	Clemson		Atlantic Coast		Up 1
10	West Virginia	Big 12			Down 7
11	Ohio St		Big 10			Up 7
12	Oregon		Pac 12			No Change
13	Louisville	Atlantic Coast		Up 7
14	North Carolina	Atlantic Coast		Up 8
15	Minnesota	Big 10			Not Ranked
16	Florida St	Atlantic Coast		Not Ranked
17	Colorado	Pac 12			Not Ranked
18	UCF		American Athletic	Up 3
19	Dayton		Atlantic 10		Down 2
20	Michigan St	Big 10			Not Ranked
21	USC		Pac 12			Down 17
22	Indiana		Big 10			Up 3
23	Creighton	Big East		Not Ranked
24	Michigan	Big 10			Down 11
25	Providence	Big East		Not Ranked

Dropped Out:
Penn State
Xavier
Minnesota
Florida
Colorado
Michigan State
Creighton
Providence
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Some data in my previous post was corrupted. Here are the up-to-date numbers.

RANK	TEAM		CONFERENCE		CHANGE
1	Gonzaga		West Coast		UP 3
2	Kansas		Big 12			UP 1
3	Missouri	Southeastern		DOWN 1
4	Villanova	Big East		DOWN 3
5	West Virginia	Big 12			UP 5
6	Texas		Big 12			DOWN 1
7 	San Diego St.	Mid-West		NOT RANKED
8	Rutgers		Big 10			DOWN 1
9	Clemson		Atlantic Coast		SAME
10	Louisville	Atlantic Coast		Up 3
11	UTEP		C-USA			NOT RANKED
12	Illinois	Big 10			NOT RANKED
13	Wisconsin	Big 10			NOT RANKED
14	Xavier		Big East		DOWN 6
15	Northwestern	Big 10			NOT RANKED
16	Michigan	Big 10			UP 8
17	Creighton	Big East		UP 6
18	Houston		American Athletic	Not Ranked
19	Richmond	Atlantic 10		NOT RANKED
20	UCF		American Athletic	DOWN 2
21 	WKU		C-USA			NOT RANKED
22	Dayton		Atlantic 10		DOWN 3
23	Akron		MAC			NOT RANKED
24	Oregon		PAC 12			DOWN 12
25 	North Carolina	ACC			DOWN 11

Dropped Out:
Ohio State
Minnesota
Providence
Florida State
Penn State
Michigan State
USC
Indiana
Colorado
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RANK		TEAM		CONFERENCE	CHANGE
1		Missouri	SEC		UP 2
2		Villanova	BIG EAST	UP 2
3		Rutgers		BIG 10		UP 5
4		Kansas		BIG 12		DOWN 2
5		West Virginia	BIG 12		SAME
6		Michigan	BIG 10		UP 10
7		Texas		BIG 12		DOWN 1
8		Clemson		ACC		UP 1
9		Gonzaga		WCC		DOWN 8
10		Louisville	ACC		SAME
11		Minnesota	BIG 10		NR
12		Houston		AAC		UP 6
13		Richmond	A10		UP 6
14		Colorado	PAC 12		NR
15		Wisconsin	BIG 10		DOWN 2
16		Oregon		PAC 12		UP 8
17		Ohio St		BIG 10		NR
18		Xavier		BIG EAST	DOWN 4
19		Stanford	PAC 12		NR
20		Illinois	BIG 10		DOWN 8
21		Creighton	BIG EAST	DOWN 4
22		UCLA		PAC 12		NR
23		Oklahoma St	BIG 12		NR
24		Florida St	ACC		NR
25		Florida		SEC		NR

Dropped Out :
San Diego State
UTEP
Northwestern
UCF
WKU
Dayton
Akron
North Carolina
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Rank	Team		Conference	Change
1	Michigan	Big 10		Up 5
2	Missouri	Southeastern	Down 1
3	Villanova	Big East	Down 1
4	Texas		Big 12		Up 3
5	Alabama		Southeastern	NR
6	Iowa		Big 10		NR
7	Minnesota	Big 10		Up 4
8	UCLA		Pac 12		Up 14
9	Wisconsin	Big 10		Up 6
10	Florida St	Atlantic Coast	Up 14
11	Clemson		Atlantic Coast	Down 3
12	Kansas		Big 12		Down 8
13	Ohio St		Big 10		Up 4
14	Oklahoma St	Big 12		Up 9
15	Houston		American Ath.	Down 3
16	Louisville	Atlantic Coast	Down 6
17	Gonzaga		West Coast	Down 8
18	Oregon		Pac 12		Down 2
19	Xavier		Big East	Down 1
20	Colorado	Pac 12		Down 6
21	Virginia	Atlantic Coast	NR
22	USC		Pac 12		NR
23	St Bonaventure	Atlantic 10	NR
24	Baylor		Big 12		NR
25	Purdue		Big 10		NR

Dropped Out
West Virginia
Richmond
Illinois
Creighton
Florida
Stanford
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RANK	TEAM		CONFERENCE
1	Michigan	Big 10
2	Baylor		Big 12
3	Villanova	Big East
4	Gonzaga		West Coast 
5	Missouri	Southeastern [ BRAD ]
6	Texas		Big 12
7	Alabama		Southeastern [ JSU ]
8	Houston		American Athletic
9	St Bonaventure	Atlantic 10
10	Florida St	Atlantic Coast
11	Iowa		Big 10
12	Virginia	Atlantic Coast
13 	UCLA		Pac 12 
14	Ohio St		Big 10 [ MORH ] & [ ILL ST ]
15	Xavier		Big East [ EKU & TTU ] & [BRAD]
16	West Virginia	Big 12
17	Louisville	Atlantic Coast [EVIL]
18	USC		Pac 12
19	Wisconsin	Big 10 [ EILL ] & [ LOY-C]
20	Minnesota	Big 10
21	 Colorado	Pac 12
22	Purdue		Big 10 [ VALPO & IND ST ]
23	Kansas		Big 12
24	BYU		West Coast
25	Clemson		Atlantic Coast [ MORH ]
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Rank	School			Conference Affiliation
1	Gonzaga			West Coast
2	Ohio State		Big Ten
3	Baylor			Big Twelve
4	Alabama			Southeastern
5	Southern California	Pacific Twelve
6	West Virginia		Big Twelve
7	Creighton		Big East
8	Illinois		Big Ten
9	Michigan		Big Ten
10	Brigham Young		West Coast 
11	Purdue			Big Ten
12	Iowa			Big Ten
13	Colorado		Pacific Twelve
14	Houston			American Athletic
15	Villanova		Big East
16	Loyola (IL)		Missouri Valley
17	Kansas			Big Twelve
18	Virginia		Atlantic Coast
19	Boise State		Mountain West
20	Toledo			Mid-American
21	Oklahoma State		Big Twelve
22	Arkansas		Southeastern
23	Missouri		Southeastern
24	UCLA			Pacific Twelve
25	Oklahoma		Big Twelve



Non Power Conference Hopefuls.....

Rank	School			Conference Affiliation
30	San Diego State		Mountain West
31	Drake			Missouri Valley
33	Belmont			Ohio Valley
36	Colorado State		Mountain West
41	Va. Commonwealth	Atlantic Ten
47	Chattanooga		Southern
48	Richmond		Atlantic Ten
49	NC-Greensboro		Southern
52	UC-Santa Barbara	Big West
54	Colgate			Patriot
56	Akron			Mid-America
61	Louisiana Tech		Conference USA
62	St. Bonaventure		Atlantic Ten
63	Kent State		Mid-America
64	Navy			Patriot
67	Marshall		Conference USA
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Rank	School			Conference Affiliation
1	Gonzaga			West Coast
2	Ohio State		Big Ten
3	West Virginia		Big Twelve (+3)
4	Baylor			Big Twelve (-1)
5	Drake			Missouri Valley (NR)
6	Michigan		Big Ten (+3)
7	Alabama			Southeastern (-3)
8	Southern California	Pacific Twelve (-3)
9	Creighton		Big East (-2)
10	Illinois		Big Ten (-2)
11	Colorado		Pacific Twelve (+2)
12	Iowa			Big Ten (NC)
13	Houston			American Athletic (+1)
14	Villanova		Big East (+1)
15	Brigham Young		West Coast (-5)
16	Purdue			Big Ten (-5)
17	Loyola (IL)		Missouri Valley (-1)
18	Arkansas		Southeastern (-4)
19	Boise State		Mountain West (NC)
20	Wisconsin		Big Ten (NR)
21	Missouri		Southeastern (-2)
22	Oklahoma State		Big Twelve (+1)
23	Kansas			Big Twelve (-6)
24	Texas			Big Twelve (NR)
25	VCU			Atlantic Ten (NR)


Dropped Out.....

Virginia		Atlantic Coast (OUT)
Toledo			Mid-American (OUT)
UCLA			Pacific Twelve (OUT)
Oklahoma		Big Twelve (OUT)



Non Power Conference Hopefuls.....

Rank	School			Conference Affiliation
1	Gonzaga			West Coast
5	Drake			Missouri Valley
15	Brigham Young		West Coast
17	Loyola-Chicago		Missouri Valley
19	Boise State		Mountain West
25	Va. Commonwealth	Atlantic Ten
26	Toledo 			Atlantic Ten
32	St. Bonaventure		Atlantic Ten
33	San Diego State		Mountain West
35	Belmont			Ohio Valley
39	Colorado State		Mountain West
43	Western Kentucky	Conference USA
47	Chattanooga		Southern
48	Richmond		Atlantic Ten
49	UC-Santa Barbara	Big West
52	Colgate			Patriot
55	Chattanooga		Southern
56	Louisiana Tech		Conference USA
58	Navy			Patriot
60	NC-Greensboro		Southern
64	Winthrop		Big South
66	Akron			Mid-America
67	Marshall		Conference USA
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A couple of things to remember when thinking about mid majors receiving an at large bid; one is the built in bias to the larger schools, and secondly, since they would have to lose in their conference tournament to receive an at large bid, that loss could/would cause a drop in their whatever computer rating you choose to use. Because of this, for a mid major to feel safe heading into their conference play, I believe they would have to be ranked in the top 30. The next 10 would put you squarely on the bubble.
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Tick21 wrote: Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:10 pm A couple of things to remember when thinking about mid majors receiving an at large bid; one is the built in bias to the larger schools, and secondly, since they would have to lose in their conference tournament to receive an at large bid, that loss could/would cause a drop in their whatever computer rating you choose to use. Because of this, for a mid major to feel safe heading into their conference play, I believe they would have to be ranked in the top 30. The next 10 would put you squarely on the bubble.
I agree with your assessment of bias favoring the power conferences.

I think the little guys have been shafted for long enough IMO.

There have been some tremendously talented non-power conference teams left out of the big dance through the years and basketball fans around the world have been deprived of watching them on the biggest stage to the benefit of the mediocre teams of the power conferences.

I underlined your quote to show that the selection committee's way of thinking has bias built into it.

What does it matter WHEN you win or lose? You've either accumulated enough lower-value wins to overcome the fewer high-value wins from power conferences or you haven't.

This is how Murray went from #25 in the nation to falling off the face of the planet by a 1-point loss in the conference tournament.

We didn't even get an NIT invitation!

This has happened to other outstanding mid-major teams too, not just Murray State.

What a travesty.
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And yet somehow .500 teams from the major conferences don’t ever seem to have their status damaged by a conference tourney loss even if it happens in an early round. I really believe there should be a rule if you don’t have a winning record in conference play, you aren’t eligible to receive an at large bid.
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I hear ya Tick.

I used to think the same thing until I realized a team could be a legitimate top-30 team but play in a conference where 6 other teams in the conference are top-20.

In this case, such a team is still better than the other 327 Division 1 teams.

Think in terms of where a team ranks as a percentage of where the rest of the teams rank.

If a team beats a team in the top 5% of all teams, it should be worth more than 95% of all the other wins. Same thing with losses. Losing to a team in the bottom 5% of all teams, should penalize a team more than 95% of all the other losses.

This is why the power conferences have the advantage over mid-majors. By the law of large numbers, even mediocre teams will pull out a quality win every once-in-awhile. Doing so would be the equivalent of 4-7 wins against lesser competition. Conversely, mid-majors play more bottom-tier teams and, so, it stands to reason that bad losses will crop up from time to time. These, too, would be the equivalent of 4-7 losses compared to top-tier teams.

I'm okay with the conference record as long as the FULL BODY OF WORK puts them in the top 46 or so of all teams.

What I dislike is the talking heads trying to explain why a team whose FULL BODY OF WORK puts them 15 places behind a deserving Mid-Major team solely because of their "Quality Wins" and the Mid-Major's lack of "Quality Wins". They try to encapsulate an entire season of work into a couple of games. This is the same reason why I dislike our tie-breaker system - it leaves out the importance of all the other games and focuses in on just 1 or 2 games.

Each win advances Mid-Majors and Majors alike up the standings and each loss causes them to fall back in the standings and rightly so. Majors may advance more quickly and decline more slowly with their "Quality" opponents but if their FULL BODY OF WORK doesn't advance them enough season's end to overtake a Mid-Major's FULL BODY OF WORK then so be it.
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Rank	School			Conf		Change
1	Gonzaga			WCC		NC
2	Ohio State		Big Ten		NC
3	Drake			MVC		UP 2
4	West Virginia		Big 12		DOWN 1
5	Baylor			Big 12		DOWN 1
6	Michigan		Big Ten		NC
7	Alabama			SEC		NC
8	Southern California	Pac-12		NC
9	Creighton		Big East	NC
10	Purdue			Big Ten		UP 6
11	Colorado		Pac-12		NC
12	Illinois		Big Ten		DOWN 2
13	Houston			AAC		NC
14	Iowa			Big Ten		DOWN 2
15	Brigham Young		WCC		NC
16	Villanova		Big East	DOWN 2
17	Loyola (IL)		MVC		NC
18	UCLA			Pac-12		NR
19	Arkansas		SEC		DOWN 1
20	Missouri		SEC		UP 1
21	Wisconsin		Big Ten		DOWN 1
22	Oklahoma State		Big 12		NC
23	Boise State		MWC		DOWN 4
24	Kansas			Big 12		DOWN 1
25	Virginia Commonwealth	A-10		NC
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The following is current as of midnight March 1, 2021.



Rank		School		Conf		Change
1		Gonzaga		WCC		No Change
2		Michigan	Big Ten		Up 4
3		Ohio State	Big Ten		Down 1
4		West Virginia	Big 12		Down 1
5		Alabama		SEC		Up 2
6		Baylor		Big 12		Down 2
7		Drake		MVC		Down 2
8		Illinois	Big Ten		Up 2
9		Iowa		Big Ten		Up 3
10		Colorado	Pac-12		Up 1
11		S. California	Pac-12		Down 3
12		Houston		AAC		Up 1
13		Creighton	Big East	Down 4
14		Brigham Young	WCC		Up 1
15		Purdue		Big Ten		Up 1
16		Oklahoma St.	Big 12		Up 6
17 		Loyola (IL)	MVC		No Change
18		Arkansas	SEC		No Change
19		Villanova	Big East	Down 5
20		UCLA		Pac-12		Not Ranked
21		Kansas		Big 12		Up 2
22		Missouri	SEC		Down 1
23		San Diego St.	MWC		Not Ranked
24		Wisconsin	Big Ten		Down 4
25		Toledo		MAC		Not Ranked
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