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John Feinstein ...Dean of all sports changes his mind!

Post by SwedeDRC » Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:53 am

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In a column in yesterday's WaPo The dean of all sports, John Feinstein, has come down strongly on the side of the NCAA adding more mid majors to the March fun fest and scratching off the invite list the Power Five "We should get to go too!" ..Claiming there are no legitimate reasons not to because of the mediocure talent and records of tons of Power 5 schools inferring they are really nothing special and in the Pac 12's case just not very good.
He writes the heavy weighting of schools in the tournament just because they are who they are is not justified and the mid majors are getting screwed..(editors note..He didnt actually use the word screwed but that is what he strongly implied)
We are highlighted as certainly deserving of a bid no questions asked with, naturally a mention of Ja, as are schools like Buffalo, Hofstra, and Wofford no matter what happens to them in their conference championship. Truly a completely unexpected and breathtaking change of heart by Mr Feinstein. You can track down the article at www.washingtonpost.com and finding his column. Sadly you may have to pay for the privilege courtesy of Mr. Jeff Besos.
Alas, he has little hope things will change and the March money grab winners will continue to be the Power Five also rans but I have to love his change of heart..He has come a long way. :clap:

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Post by wkeown » Thu Feb 21, 2019 6:28 pm

It's all about television advertising revenue. What will be very interesting to see this year is that some of these mid-majors are more compelling than Indiana or Arkansas. It just so happens, that, thanks to social media, people are keenly aware that Ja Morant and Mike Daum are out there and would rather see those players than the same old teams. Funny how social media, which caters to the masses, is actually leveling out the playing field in the mid-majors' favor. Things don't go viral unless they are unusual. Seeing mediocre teams with 15-15 records just don't hold interest.

What will really raise my eyebrows if, say (God Forbid), Murray doesn't win the OVC tournament and finishes the year, with 5 losses. Their "resume" of quality wins is not that great. However, America wants to see Ja Morant. The networks want to show him too. If, somehow, Murray gets an At Large bid THIS year, when other Racer teams were probably more deserving (like the CIT Champions), then we can thank Ja Morant for it...period.

Even though, as a Racer fan, I would gratefully accept this invitation, in a way it just further exemplifies the tainted process that it is.
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Post by racerlover » Thu Feb 21, 2019 6:49 pm

I'm not sure we'd get an at large bid even if we'd have beaten Auburn or Bama. If the NCAA had their way, there would be 1AA basketball.
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Post by runningracer » Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:00 am

It is all about money. If you have seven or eight teams in the dance, it means more money for everybody in that conference, and a boost for recruiting. My opinion is that if a team does not have over a .500 record in their conference, they do not deserve to be in the tournament. They have two chances to get in. The first is their record, and the second is to win the conference tournament. If they fail to get in those two ways, why do they deserve the extra money? Is it just because a group of well connected teams have joined together, and wish to establish a club where almost everyone in their group of associated schools are invited, leaving out teams that have a better record, but don't get to play those schools, except on the road? When the NBA starts to let players from high school go straight to the pros, or the G league, if they are below the NBA level, it might make a difference in the balance of the teams, and the leagues.
Meanwhile, the way that money is divided in leagues such as the OVC should be changed as well. Instead of dividing the money evenly, or just a small amount of difference for improvement, the money should be split into 78 shares. The championship team should get 12 shares, with each team getting shares for where they finish in the conference regular season, with the last place team getting 1 share. That way, if a school does not work to make their team better, they get less of the tournament money, and it provides an incentive to improve. Since the money is paid over a period of years, the money would be based on where they finished in each of those years, so one bad year doesn't leave a team drawing a short amount of money each year.
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Post by racerlover » Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:26 am

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Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:00 am
It is all about money. If you have seven or eight teams in the dance, it means more money for everybody in that conference, and a boost for recruiting. My opinion is that if a team does not have over a .500 record in their conference, they do not deserve to be in the tournament. They have two chances to get in. The first is their record, and the second is to win the conference tournament. If they fail to get in those two ways, why do they deserve the extra money? Is it just because a group of well connected teams have joined together, and wish to establish a club where almost everyone in their group of associated schools are invited, leaving out teams that have a better record, but don't get to play those schools, except on the road? When the NBA starts to let players from high school go straight to the pros, or the G league, if they are below the NBA level, it might make a difference in the balance of the teams, and the leagues.
Meanwhile, the way that money is divided in leagues such as the OVC should be changed as well. Instead of dividing the money evenly, or just a small amount of difference for improvement, the money should be split into 78 shares. The championship team should get 12 shares, with each team getting shares for where they finish in the conference regular season, with the last place team getting 1 share. That way, if a school does not work to make their team better, they get less of the tournament money, and it provides an incentive to improve. Since the money is paid over a period of years, the money would be based on where they finished in each of those years, so one bad year doesn't leave a team drawing a short amount of money each year.
Personally, teams in the OVC that can't even manage a winning conference record and/or are ranked in the 300's overall, shouldn't see a dime. Harsh? Maybe, but why reward failure? Every college team has failure seasons, even us, but some make a huge habit out of it.
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Post by JoeD » Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:52 am

The problem is that how does a team ever improve if you cut off all the money?
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Post by racerlover » Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:46 am

JoeD wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:52 am
The problem is that how does a team ever improve if you cut off all the money?
Who is improving? JSU has, but time will tell if they can maintain. And do you want them to win more, at the cost of us losing more? You can't buy players, so how would the extra money help to win? You also can't buy a fanbase. I understand Morehead, EIU, UTM having a small fanbase, but how would more money improve that? Hell, even APSU has a rich tradition and have lost a ton of fans. I'm all for the league improving (which it probably never will as a whole) but throwing more money at the celler dwellers has proven to do nothing. The NFL has revenue sharing, yet (for example) the Patriots still win their division each season, while the Dolphins, Bills and Jets suck ass each season.

Just my opinion. I don't want us to lose more games just so EIU can win a couple more.
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Post by JoeD » Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:49 am

I would argue that Martin has. Peay has. JSU has.
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Post by smidge34 » Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:49 am

Cash is king BUT there are plenty of big budget programs swimming in cash who couldn’t hold up the Racers’ jock strap so it ain’t everything.
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Post by 75Fan » Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:57 am

Another problem is how does the top teams in a conference get to improve when the bottom-feeders remain bottom feeders.

Are the bottom feeders deriving a greater benefit to their schools when the top-tier teams are providing all of their post-season tournament income?

What about the huge hit that the top 4 teams in the conference have taken by being forced to play perennial bottom-feeder teams twice in the the regular season? Wouldn't Murray's, Belmont's, Austin Peay's and Jacksonville State's NET ratings be much higher had they not played in a conference where 8 of it's 12 teams have a NET rating lower than 260 and a combined W-L record of 40-80?

These teams have the option of investing in their futures and putting up risk money (just like business or investment decisions) or dropping down to a lower division.

I like the idea of graduated shares. It might be even better if the compensation was predicated on how much a team impacted every other team's overall rating. A possible solution could be the following.....

Since there are 353 teams in Division 1, then 354 - NET = team shares as follows....


TEAM                       NET-BASED SHARES
BELMONT                    354 - 53 = 301
MURRAY STATE               354 - 59 = 295
AUSTIN PEAY                354 - 127 = 227
JACKSONVILLE ST.           354 - 134 = 220
MOREHEAD STATE             354 - 269 = 85
EASTERN KY.                354 - 272 = 82
EASTERN ILLINOIS           354 - 302 = 52
UT MARTIN                  354 - 307 = 47
TENNESSEE STATE            354 - 316 = 38
SE MISSOURI STATE          354 - 317 = 37
SIU EDWARDSVILLE           354 - 328 = 26
TENNESSEE TECH             354 - 334 = 20

This would divide this years money into 1,430 shares and the
percentage each team would earn is as follows.....

TEAM                       NET %
BELMONT                    21.05
MURRAY STATE               20.63
AUSTIN PEAY                15.87
JACKSONVILLE ST.           15.38

{ 72.93% of the conference NET by the top 4 teams!}

MOREHEAD STATE             5.94
EASTERN KY.                5.73
EASTERN ILLINOIS           3.64
UT MARTIN                  3.29
TENNESSEE STATE            2.66
SE MISSOURI STATE          2.59
SIU EDWARDSVILLE           1.82
TENNESSEE TECH             1.40

One should take a 5-year average for each team to account for coaching changes and injuries to key players.

I think this would be a fair distribution of revenue that would reward the excellence of the top-performing teams while incentivizing the lower-performing teams to improve. :thumbup:
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Post by MarshallRacer » Fri Feb 22, 2019 12:02 pm

JoeD wrote:
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I would argue that Martin has. Peay has. JSU has.
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Post by racerlover » Fri Feb 22, 2019 12:21 pm

The solution is...MVC. But that ship has sailed.

We've been talking about the OVC improving for years now. I don't see it happening. It's usually us, Belmont, Peay and a rotating fourth team that props up the entire league. There is another solution. Cut out some teams. I know it won't happen, but what if? Take out the perennial bottom four teams over the past 10-15 years and what would we have? The OVC is saturated with lousy programs.
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Post by SwedeDRC » Fri Feb 22, 2019 12:35 pm

The other option is to form a new league made up of KY schools and schools in ajoining states like Evansville and SIU that have long standing rivalrys and are reasonably close to eachother.

This would gut the ovc of course..Any problem there?
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Post by racerlover » Fri Feb 22, 2019 12:45 pm

SwedeDRC wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 12:35 pm
The other option is to form a new league made up of KY schools and schools in ajoining states like Evansville and SIU that have long standing rivalrys and are reasonably close to eachother.

This would gut the ovc of course..Any problem there?
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I didn't include WKU because they think they'll be in the ACC by next season. The league roster I mentioned would be awesome. The travel costs would be next to nil compared to now. Let the OVC flounder. The head office doesn't seem to care anyway.
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Post by 75Fan » Fri Feb 22, 2019 12:57 pm

I would add Lipscomb to the mix.
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Post by racerlover » Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:02 pm

75Fan wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 12:57 pm
I would add Lipscomb to the mix.
You're the numbers cruncher 75. What would that league look like using this year's numbers?
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LIPSCOMB		 47
BELMONT			 53
MURRAY STATE		 59
NORTHERN KENTUCKY	108
AUSTIN PEAY		127
SOUTHERN ILLINOIS	146
EVANSVILLE		208
MOREHEAD STATE		269
EASTERN KENTUCKY	272

AVERAGE NET RATING	143
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Post by 75Fan » Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:12 pm

This year's OVC average NET rating is 235! :stars: :thumbdown: :bang:
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Post by racerlover » Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:15 pm

75Fan wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:12 pm
This year's OVC average NET rating is 235! :stars: :thumbdown: :bang:

That 143 would put that conference (I would guess) around the top 10?
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Post by 75Fan » Fri Feb 22, 2019 1:28 pm

Nice guess!

It would be #10.

The Atlantic 10 conference would fall to # 11.
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