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Les Taylor

Post by JessieWilliams » Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:33 pm

His jersey needs to be hanging from the rafters. Why is it not? May be the best ever to play here
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Re: Les Taylor

Post by BigD21 » Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:01 pm

And Isaac Spencer I believe he’s the second leading scorer in school history
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Re: Les Taylor

Post by Dan T » Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:02 am

I have been advocating the same thing for many years. I was walking around Racer Arena with Bennie Purcell one time and I asked him about the situation. He had no answer but was in total agreement. I'm also an advocate of retiring uniforms and keeping the number on the uniform in play for what I would hope is an obvious reason.
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Re: Les Taylor

Post by smidge34 » Tue Jul 17, 2018 9:05 am

Isn’t his number ALREADY retired?? Groan. This is why you only “retire” a number every once in a generation and damn sure not 4/5 of a team.
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Re: Les Taylor

Post by RacerPop » Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:15 am

Yes,the number 30 Jersey is hanging in the rafters.It has the wrong name on it IMO.
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Re: Les Taylor

Post by NKYRacer » Tue Jul 17, 2018 5:14 pm

smidge34 wrote:
Tue Jul 17, 2018 9:05 am
Isn’t his number ALREADY retired?? Groan. This is why you only “retire” a number every once in a generation and damn sure not 4/5 of a team.
I know right??

For one, I'm guessing that the decision to not retire Taylor's number was made immediately upon his graduation, his resume was similar to Crittenden in that he put up remarkable numbers on mostly unremarkable teams, and with no titles :shrug:

I'm sure someone can confirm that it was decided that Brown's 5 was retired, the problem being that he didn't retire and just couldn't make it back to make it formal, but I could be wrong.

That was the Racers modus operandi up until 2001 when Fulks was retired. Fulks' playing only two years a Thoroughbred before leaving for the army didn't put up remarkable numbers (did lead the team both seasons and on a post season run) but ending up a NBA HOFer seemed like a good enough reason to break precedent. Reagan's number is retired for, well really non basketball reasons frankly.
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Re: Les Taylor

Post by Dan T » Sat Jul 21, 2018 9:21 pm

NKYRacer wrote:
Tue Jul 17, 2018 5:14 pm
smidge34 wrote:
Tue Jul 17, 2018 9:05 am
Isn’t his number ALREADY retired?? Groan. This is why you only “retire” a number every once in a generation and damn sure not 4/5 of a team.
I know right??

For one, I'm guessing that the decision to not retire Taylor's number was made immediately upon his graduation, his resume was similar to Crittenden in that he put up remarkable numbers on mostly unremarkable teams, and with no titles :shrug:

I'm sure someone can confirm that it was decided that Brown's 5 was retired, the problem being that he didn't retire and just couldn't make it back to make it formal, but I could be wrong.

That was the Racers modus operandi up until 2001 when Fulks was retired. Fulks' playing only two years a Thoroughbred before leaving for the army didn't put up remarkable numbers (did lead the team both seasons and on a post season run) but ending up a NBA HOFer seemed like a good enough reason to break precedent. Reagan's number is retired for, well really non basketball reasons frankly.
Nothing unremarkable about the teams Taylor played on. His sophomore year they beat were ranked top 20 and split with Western when they had their best ever team, finishing 3rd in the NCAA. Those three years, the Racers did play 2nd fiddle to Western, but that was not an indictment of the team. Taylor broke his hand in either 74 or 75 and missed a long string of games, hurting the team's record.

I saw the Postman make an appearance in Racer Arena once. Nothing remarkable about that team. Wonder if his uniform was retired?
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Re: Les Taylor

Post by NKYRacer » Sun Jul 22, 2018 10:20 am

Point made and accepted about Taylor's first year (1971) was a real good team, they did beat a Top 10 Jim McDaniels led Western team, and were ranked for the 4 weeks after that before a late season slump doomed them. His missing 5(6) games in 72 did defiantly hurt that that seasons result as they were 3-3 during that span but were 5-6 afterwards. 73 was Fly Williams first season @ Peay and they couldn't beat the Govs.

My argument is that had they won a championship any one of those three seasons his 30 probably would have been retired. Had it been up to me he would have been, I mean three-time all OVC and POY twice should have warranted it. There may have been other factors, I have no idea on that.
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Re: Les Taylor

Post by A_1985_grad » Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:29 am

I finally got to listen to the Racer podcast with Lindy and Travis, and they made an excellent case that Les Taylor's name needs to be in the rafters with other Racer greats. Yes, No. 30 is already up there, as are a few too many numbers out of circulation, but Taylor's career passes the test of greatest of the greats.

Two-time OVC Player of the Year
Three-time All-OVC
OVC Sophomore of the Year
21.1 PPG average for his CAREER
7.7 RPG (he stood 6-foot-3!)
25.6 PPG in 1971-72 (led OVC)
2nd leading scorer (15.8 ) as a sophomore on Top 20-ranked team
Led team in scoring (22.4 PPG) and assists (3.3) as a senior
Shot 51.5% from the field and 74.8% from FT line for his career
Known as team's best defender. Guarded 7-footer Jim McDaniels in MSU's epic win over Top-5 ranked WKU in 1971
Selected in both NBA and ABA drafts

Only three other players -- Jeff Martin, Popeye Jones and Marcus Brown -- have been two-time OVC Player of the Year. Their numbers are hanging from the CFSB Center. It's past time to honor Les Taylor and HIS No. 30. It belongs, he belongs.
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Re: Les Taylor

Post by HoustonRacer » Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:00 am

A_1985_grad wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:29 am
I finally got to listen to the Racer podcast with Lindy and Travis, and they made an excellent case that Les Taylor's name needs to be in the rafters with other Racer greats. Yes, No. 30 is already up there, as are a few too many numbers out of circulation, but Taylor's career passes the test of greatest of the greats.

Two-time OVC Player of the Year
Three-time All-OVC
OVC Sophomore of the Year
21.1 PPG average for his CAREER
7.7 RPG (he stood 6-foot-3!)
25.6 PPG in 1971-72 (led OVC)
2nd leading scorer (15.8 ) as a sophomore on Top 20-ranked team
Led team in scoring (22.4 PPG) and assists (3.3) as a senior
Shot 51.5% from the field and 74.8% from FT line for his career
Known as team's best defender. Guarded 7-footer Jim McDaniels in MSU's epic win over Top-5 ranked WKU in 1971
Selected in both NBA and ABA drafts

Only three other players -- Jeff Martin, Popeye Jones and Marcus Brown -- have been two-time OVC Player of the Year. Their numbers are hanging from the CFSB Center. It's past time to honor Les Taylor and HIS No. 30. It belongs, he belongs.
Canaan also 2-time POY to add to your argument.
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Re: Les Taylor

Post by smidge34 » Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:40 am

smidge34 wrote:
Tue Jul 17, 2018 9:05 am
Isn’t his number ALREADY retired?? Groan. This is why you only “retire” a number every once in a generation and damn sure not 4/5 of a team.
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Re: Les Taylor

Post by wallaceracer » Wed Oct 10, 2018 12:09 pm

Is Les still alive? If so, where is he located?
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Re: Les Taylor

Post by A_1985_grad » Wed Oct 10, 2018 10:11 pm

HoustonRacer wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:00 am
A_1985_grad wrote:
Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:29 am
I finally got to listen to the Racer podcast with Lindy and Travis, and they made an excellent case that Les Taylor's name needs to be in the rafters with other Racer greats. Yes, No. 30 is already up there, as are a few too many numbers out of circulation, but Taylor's career passes the test of greatest of the greats.

Two-time OVC Player of the Year
Three-time All-OVC
OVC Sophomore of the Year
21.1 PPG average for his CAREER
7.7 RPG (he stood 6-foot-3!)
25.6 PPG in 1971-72 (led OVC)
2nd leading scorer (15.8 ) as a sophomore on Top 20-ranked team
Led team in scoring (22.4 PPG) and assists (3.3) as a senior
Shot 51.5% from the field and 74.8% from FT line for his career
Known as team's best defender. Guarded 7-footer Jim McDaniels in MSU's epic win over Top-5 ranked WKU in 1971
Selected in both NBA and ABA drafts

Only three other players -- Jeff Martin, Popeye Jones and Marcus Brown -- have been two-time OVC Player of the Year. Their numbers are hanging from the CFSB Center. It's past time to honor Les Taylor and HIS No. 30. It belongs, he belongs.
Canaan also 2-time POY to add to your argument.
Yep, Canaan for sure, don't know how I missed him.

You could make a case of the five 2-time POY Racers, Taylor may have been the best. Martin was a better offensive player, but Taylor was likely better defensively (I honestly don't remember Martin's defensive abilities) and Taylor was the better rebounder (both primarily played small forward, Martin was 6-6, Taylor 6-3). Popeye was the better rebounder but wasn't as good a shooter as Taylor, and I don't remember Popeye as a defensive stopper. Brown had a good all-around game but was more of a guard than Taylor, so it's hard to compare. And Brown didn't guard the opponent's best player. Same with Canaan, but I'd say Taylor had the better offense/defense/all-around game.

As for the others with retired numbers, Crittenden, Beshear, Reagan and Purcell played in a different era, and Paul King ... well, those responsible for his being up there can make their own case. He also wore No. 30, so no additional numbers would be taken out of circulation if Taylor was rightly honored.

Hey, if the Cubs can dually honor Fergie Jenkins and Greg Maddux (No. 31), why can't MSU do it with No. 30?
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Re: Les Taylor

Post by NKYRacer » Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:55 am

Big Stew Johnson belongs up there too, but we can argue this all day long.
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Re: Les Taylor

Post by 75Fan » Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:06 pm

No need to argue.

There are enough retired numbers to have established what it takes to have one's jersey retired.

If subsequent players surpass this plateau, they deserve to have their number retired as well.

What's to argue? :shrug:
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Re: Les Taylor

Post by smidge34 » Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:29 pm

75Fan wrote:
Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:06 pm
No need to argue.

There are enough retired numbers to have established what it takes to have one's jersey retired.

If subsequent players surpass this plateau, they deserve to have their number retired as well.

What's to argue? :shrug:
The fact that they’re are a finite amount of numbers to choose from? Like not all that many.
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Re: Les Taylor

Post by A_1985_grad » Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:48 pm

smidge34 wrote:
Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:29 pm
75Fan wrote:
Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:06 pm
No need to argue.

There are enough retired numbers to have established what it takes to have one's jersey retired.

If subsequent players surpass this plateau, they deserve to have their number retired as well.

What's to argue? :shrug:
The fact that they’re are a finite amount of numbers to choose from? Like not all that many.
That's the beauty of honoring Les Taylor. His number is already up there.

But I agree that MSU has overdone this in recent years. I mean they retired a volleyball player's number while she was still active! I don't care how good she was (and she was quite good), that's going a bit overboard.

As some have pointed out, we're going to lose a recruit at some point because their number wasn't going to be available to them here. May have already happened, who knows?
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Re: Les Taylor

Post by JoeD » Fri Oct 12, 2018 10:34 am

There needs to be a distinction between retiring a number and retiring a jersey. We have a long history and hopefully, a bright future. We will run out of numbers, unless we begin retiring a Jersey, which means you can use the number again at some point.
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Re: Les Taylor

Post by A_1985_grad » Fri Oct 12, 2018 9:08 pm

JoeD wrote:
Fri Oct 12, 2018 10:34 am
There needs to be a distinction between retiring a number and retiring a jersey. We have a long history and hopefully, a bright future. We will run out of numbers, unless we begin retiring a Jersey, which means you can use the number again at some point.
They used to do that. I think, for example, Don Mann's "jersey" was retired, as has been several others. There are a couple in the rafters who probably should have had that distinction for the reasons stated above.
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